Beterbiev vs Bivol - how did you score it

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How did you score it?

  1. Beterbiev

    59 vote(s)
    49.2%
  2. Bivol

    42 vote(s)
    35.0%
  3. Draw

    19 vote(s)
    15.8%
  1. newby johnson

    newby johnson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Personally, I thought this was a robbery. Beterbiev hit gloves with 95% of his punches. Punches on gloves don't score. You can maybe give him some of the last 3 rounds, but before that, I don't know if he won 1.

    I want to hear arguments from people who think Beterbiev won, why do you see it that way? Do you disagree the majority of his punches hit gloves? What's your rationale?
     
  2. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Artur Beterbiev vs Dimitry Bivol
    Rounds Won/Even
    Beterbiev - 5,6,8,10,11,12
    Bivol - 1,2,4,9
    Even - 3,7

    Notes
    A good, close fight. I had it 6-4-2 (116-114) for Beterbiev. He was the busier fighter. He landed the harder punches & took control of the fight in the 2nd half. No robbery.
     
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  3. BrotherFred

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    The argument is this, bivol has a godlike round 9 where he is channeling Joe louis's and Ali's mutant prodigal child, then he takes his foot off the gas, AB looked more dominant in the last 3 rounds, he also was in this fight til then, Bivol won the majority of the rounds but the puncher was never out of this fight, round 11 and a very disputed round 12 prove this.

    A case for a draw is ok if this was a regular title challenge and Bivol was challenging, but never an AB victory, as it is an undisputed fight I think the guy who landed the cleaner more damaging punches should've won, Bivol (go look at all the violent trades happening in until the 8th and 9th round, Bivol wins them all)

    This said, how throwback is artur? The guy should be fighting 15 round fights only, I also underrated Arturs chin, Bivol cracked him with some very crisp shots, in one of the early rounds where Bivol committed too much after getting the best out of the violent explosive exchange, AB just snaps and comes right back with murderous straights, which Bivol still manages to just avoid not getting bulldozzered by.

    They should do the rematch, AB for the first time in the post fight mentioned how his knee affected him in the fight, I fully believe him, he strikes as the kind who thinks being robbed is God's plan given his amateur history, and that mentioning injuries are excuses for gay men
     
  4. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    On initial viewing I had it even, but wasn't really concentrating on scoring tbh.

    Bivol - 1,2,3,7,8,9
    Beterbiev - 4,5,6,10,11,12

    On my initial viewing I feel like these rounds were fairly clear to me based on my perception at the time, but I think 3,4,7,8 & 12 were all pretty close and could have gone either way depending on what you favour
     
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  5. newby johnson

    newby johnson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But he didn't land the punches. He hit gloves 95% of the time. You don't score punches that hit gloves and you don't score moving forward without landing clean punches.
     
  6. newby johnson

    newby johnson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What would you have to favor to give them to Beterbiev? Because I feel like people who scored rounds for him scored punches that hit gloves.
     
  7. serioussam

    serioussam Active Member Full Member

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    Alright, first off, let me say this: i didn’t really have a favorite going into the fight. i like both bivol and beterbiev, so this is just me calling it how i saw it.

    Now, let’s break it down:

    1. Punches/effective shots: man, bivol was landing those clean, sharp punches all night. his speed and accuracy were on point. beterbiev’s power is real, but bivol was tagging him more often and cleaner.
      winner: bivol
    1. Ring control : beterbiev was the guy pushing the action. he stayed in the center, ctting off the ring, and kept coming forward.bivol was on the back foot a lot, so beterbiev gets this one.
      winner: beterbiev

    2. Defense: bivol’s defense was slick. he was slipping punches, moving well, and didn’t let beterbiev land as much as he usually does. bivol just looked sharper defensively.
      winner: bivol

    3. Aggression: no surprise here, beterbiev was the aggressor from start to finish.he’s a wrecking ball and kept the pressure on,even if he didn’t land every punch.
      winner: beterbiev

    4. Clean technique/sportmansship: bivol fought cleaner, technically speaking. beterbiev’s aggression sometimes got a bit wild, but bivol stayed disciplined throughout.

    5. Bivol 3 : Beterbiev 2
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    So, all in all, it’s close, but if we’re scoring based on those factors, it’s bivol 3:2 beterbiev. Blvol just outworked him with precision and defense, but beterbiev's raw power and pressure kept it competitive.
     
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  8. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    ABiev won the 4th, 6th, 10,11,12. And I feel most of those were really just rounds Bivol was taking off.

    DB was clearly the better fighter on the night.
     
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  9. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    115-113 Beterbiev
     
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  10. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I mentioned this in another post, but IMO folks need to separate that fact that whilst Arturs punches that were hitting Bivol's gloves were not clean or scoring shots, the WERE effective, as when Beterbiev was more active and throwing, he was pushing Dmitry back, and disrupting his jab and his "1/2 reset" formula which was in turn disrupting Artur early.

    In 4-6 and 10-12 especially, when Beterbiev upped his workrate, even though not catching Bivol with much clean (although there were some really clean and meaty bodyshots!), Bivol was not active because he was dealing with Arturs offense - being defensively sound, in the main - but from an optics point of view, especially in the championship rounds it fed the narative that Beterbiev wanted it more, and was willing to walk through fire to get those belts.

    Even in the post fight interview, Bivol conceded that instead of shelling up and looking for the perfect clean shots, he should have been jabbing and doing more work to stifile Arturs offense.

    None of this takes away the fact that Bivol boxed beautifully in spells, tagging Artur with great clean shots, having the last work in many of the exchanges, and Artur really had to dig deep and push his workrate hard to turn the fight around and make Bivol as uncomfortable as he possibly could - and when it gets down to it, MANY of those non-scoring punches in the earlier rounds were effective - I'm sure Bivol was struggling to lift his arms by the end, they must be killing him today!
     
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  11. lufcrazy

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    Beterbiev 8-4

    I just felt he took over at the midway point and Bivol was totally unable to keep Beterbiev off him.

    Bivol fought an amazing fight and landed his best shots, but he couldn't halt the momentum of Beterbiev who was a master ring general, his aggression was very clearly effective and for me he landed the better shots, consistently.

    That being said the middle rounds were very tough to score so I don't really have an issue with those who think Bivol got the nod.

    It's conceivable to me that after ten rounds someone had it 8-2 to Bivol and so finished with a 8-4 scorecard in favour of Bivol.

    But I can't understand those who believe vehemently it's a robbery. How anyone can claim Beterbiev could not be scored 7 rounds in this fight is beyond me. He beat Bivol up.
     
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  12. LenHarvey

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    I think a draw was fitting.
     
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  13. IvanaMariana

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    Bivol 8-4, 7-5. Worst case scenario is a draw.
     
  14. newby johnson

    newby johnson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You say that based on what? I don't deny that a punch can sometimes get through a bit and do a bit of damage, but in the absence of seeing an effect (fighter getting wobbly), the default assumption should be the punch had no effect. If a punch hits a glove it's not a scoring punch.

    I agree with this for some of the 10,11,12 rounds, possibly all. Beterbiev was still mostly hitting gloves, but Bivol was too inactive and I would give him those rounds on the premise that some of those punches must have gotten through, while there was nothing on the Bivol side of the ledger.
     
  15. newby johnson

    newby johnson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because he was hitting gloves all night. Just moving forward doesn't score. Hitting gloves doesn't score. You can count the number of clean punches AB scored in the fight on the fingers of two hands.

    Do you think he was actually landing clean punches or are you scoring those rounds for him based on moving forward or just throwing?