Could James Toney ever have touched Roy Jones?

I think it is a bad style matchup for Toney, I don't think Roy ever comes close to stopping or hurting him, but Toney counts on people making mistakes and being able to counter them. Prime Roy Jones was really something unworldly, very hard to counter, and didn't fight a fight that would have suited Toney.
I believe he could have done better than he did in their fight, where he looked like he was in cement, and even then, he was not beaten up, but his offensive game is not suited for fighting a guy like Roy.
Historically, I think Toney did much better against some guys that Jones would have had trouble with, just for sheer size, i.e. Peter, Holyfield, etc (I know RJJ beat Ruiz, but :roll: it's Ruiz), and I love Toney as a fighter, more than I like Roy really, because he was so old school, but it just seems head to head I can't find a way for Toney to win unless it is against old Chinny Roy, and this not a fair example, it must be best on best.

 

Nope, Jones's style and speed all wrong for Toney, and after the first fight he knew it.

 

No chance.

Awful stylistic match up and considering the level of fighter Toney struggled with a light heavyweight susbsequent to the fight it'd maybe get worse.

Jones wouldn't ever stop him though IMO.

 

They should have fought at HW. Toney was actually a very good CW and HW. I think he was a little overrated at MW to be honest. I will say this about Toney, he would fight anybody and was not afraid of anyone.

At MW he struggled with Sanderline Williams (1st fight), Merqui Sosa, Reggie Johnson, Mike McCallum x2, and Dave Tiberi. Michael Nunn outboxed him until the 11th round stoppage.

At SMW he was more dominate but his level of opposition was not as good... a weight drained and past prime Iran Barkley, a weight drained and past prime Charles Williams. Tony Thornton and Tim Littles were decent but not top fighters. He was dominated by Roy Jones Jr.

At LHW he lost to Montell Griffin twice (both fights were close) and Drake Thadzi.

At CW he had a tougher than expected fight vs. a 40 year old Mike McCallum. It was McCallum's last pro fight. Steve Little gave him a few problems at CW as well. Toney didn't fight for almost 2 years after the Little fight. He came back looking fatter than ever but won vs. Terry Porter (8th round KO). He looked very good in his next 2 fights KO10 Adolpho Washington and W10 Ramon Garbey. The Washington and Garbey fights were impressive but then he struggled with Terry McGroom. He had a solid win over Asipeli and a great fight vs. Jirov.

At HW he did well vs. an old Holyfield, Ruiz, Guinn, Rahman, Sam Peter, and others.

 

Jones was better but could never stop Toney.

 

No.

 

Jones would probably always have been Ezzard Charles to Toney's Archie Moore. Still both absolute first ballot Hall-of-famers though.

 

Not on that night he couldn't. Maybe if they fought at a higher weight and after Roy slowed down. Bottom line though is Jones, Jr. was way too fast for him. And he wasn't weak either. He had enough pop on those punches to garner respect from Toney, which also allowed Roy to control the range and tempo of the bout as well.

 

If they met when Toney was less drained then yes, he could.
He also could when both were "HWs"/"CWs", but Jones wanted nothing to do with him by then.

It was the usual "I already beat him so I got nothing to proof" attitude of the privileged cheaters and scammers.

 

Toney just didn't have the feet, even if he did train 100% which he mostly did'nt. Toney is as skilled as I've ever seen defensively and offensively and his rolling and countering was a thing of beauty. I'm a much bigger fan of Toney than Jones because he was more all round skilled but Jones was a naturally athletic freak that we will never see the likes of again. A phenom of the sport with unreal speed, reflexes and power that let him get away with his lack of fundamentals. Those lack of fundamentals that were exposed when he lost a % of his natural athletic ability after he came down from the Ruiz fight. He was a known ped user as well. Toney is the better all round fighter and much tougher even though he could never beats prime Jones in a million years. A stylistic nightmare if there ever was one.

 

I agree with the gist of this post, but the highlighted part is a bit funny since Toney was the one actually caught using PEDs. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Jones used them as well, but we know for a fact that Toney did.

 

I totally overlooked that one Bokaj. I just love Toney too much to except the fat **** used peds. He probably needed to use peds because his cardio work was so god damn awful What a talent though. Toney is one of thee best skillsters I've ever watched. I marvel at his skill set, arrogance and toughness. What a boxer that man was in his pomp :good

 

Oh yes. Lovely to watch. His fight with Jirov might actually be my favorite, since that is the kind of style you'd expect him to struggle against. The first one against McCallum isn't too shabby either.

 

Erm, I thought Toney tested positive for PED's as a Cruiser not a Super Middle. Whereas we KNOW Jones tested positive as a Light Heavy after his fight with Richard Hall. We also know that this positive result was swept under the carpet for quite a period of time to maintain Jones's #1 p4p status.

So who ACTUALLY knows how long he was allowed to cheat?