Did Marciano really have mafia ties?

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  1. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see this thrown around sometimes. It seems rock was too humble and nice of a man to be involved.
     
  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Yes, a lot of boxers had mafia ties in those days.
    Some mobsters helped run boxing in America at that time.

    Marciano's manager Al Weill was barred from many states for his associated with boxing's biggest racketeer (and one-time mob hitman) Frank Carbo.
    Apparently Marciano got on quite well with Carbo, but who wouldn't ? :lol:
     
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  3. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marciano fought many of his early fights in Providence Rhode Island. I have little doubt he had interactions with New England crime family boss Raymond Patriarca. I doubt he was in bed with any mobsters, though Im sure he was associated with quite a few. Gangsters have always been big sports fans, there is little doubt that they would want to be around the Rock.
     
  4. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    he only wore them on special mafia office parties.
     
  5. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    :lol::lol:

    Well played, Herol. Well played! :good

    I'd imagine most Boxers had mob-ties back then, OP, as that's when the mob was at it's most powerful. Well, up until the 80's.
     
  6. fists of fury

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  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Marciano was no more tied to the mob than any other champion. The mob had a piece of every fighter who fought in any significant arena. That means every champion, every contender and any manager with a fighter who wanted a spot on a big show. Winners, losers, managers all paid out to the mob if they wanted to fight on the stadiums or arenas under the control of the mob. Everybody had to take on a partner to move on and the partner was the mob. They did not even need to fix fights because they had a piece of everything that went on in their territory. Boxing belonged to the mob then. And after. Every champion had silent partners before Marciano and after marciano. It's just legitimized now but the same monopoly goes on. That's what modern governing body's are really about.. taking a piece of each promotion.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    So the answer is YES then.
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This is interesting, it's form the Italian Heritage site:

    Rocky's connection with the Mafia has often troubled biographers. Rocky Marciano knew the mafiosi of course, because the Mob controlled the boxing world.

    Once he was proposed to sell a match, in 1955, against Englishman Don ****ell, in San Francisco. One of Marciano's close friends, Ed Napoli, recalls he sat with Marciano in a hotel room and listened while a gangster made him an offer. "Rocky, you can be set the rest of your life if you throw this fight, you can beat him in the rematch." the mobster told him. At this, Marciano got angry, and ordered the mobster out. "You disgust me, I'm ashamed that you're Italian. Get outta here and don't come back." The fight ended in the ninth round, with ****ell crawling in search of the referee's arms.

    The order came from Chicago, Milwaukee, Philadelphia: "Keep him clean, do not get him dirty." The mafiosi were convinced Rocky had to remain clean, spotless. He was respectful, kissed on both cheeks godfathers Raymond Patriarca, Carlo Gambino, Frank Costello. The Mafia invited Rocky to lunch, advised him tailors, bought him clothes and shirts. He also went to visit Vito Genovese, on the point of death in prison in Leavenworth: Don Vito had asked the favor to see the footage of his matches.

    The mob guys respected him, loved him because he represented what they really wanted to be, the toughest in the world, the machos. He was a myth for the Mafia, their idol: a macho, a warrior, a paisà.
     
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  10. YesMySon

    YesMySon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :yep
     
  11. Brixton Bomber

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    Great find!

    No doubt they admired how humble he was, but how savage he could be when needed to.
     
  12. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Godfather movies were based on his life....
     
  13. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I don't believe this **** one bit. I don't argue that Italian gangs had their hands in boxing, I highly doubt they would have let Rocky Marciano talk to them like that and get away with it. Doesn't matter if he was the heavyweight champ. They didn't let Jake Lamotta get a shot at the title until he threw the Billy Fox fight so why would Rocky? They weren't scared of his power because that doesn't mean anything with a gun in your face.
     
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  14. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Fighters, who were sufficiently big draws, were often protected from having to make such deals.

    It just made batter financial sense to keep them above board.
     
  15. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It would not be surprising.

    He was Italian, from Boston, and active at a time when the MOB was involved in boxing.
     
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