Guys back in the day didn´t hit pads...

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  1. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    .... so their boxing trainning was based on sparring and heavybags only ??

    I would say that these days 80% of the worjout is based on hitting pads.....

    You think that changed the game ? How ?
     
  2. Journeyman92

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    I’ve heard it said - with the way it’s used in the majority, it teaches you to throw punches wrong - it beat my shoulders up, it also isn’t very practical in its application a lot of the time - it’s stuff you could do on the bag probably.
     
  3. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    It changed the game probably because the heavy bag doesn't swing back and in sparring your actually being hit back.

    Mitt work is on the threshold in-between those two ways of training -heavy bag/ sparring.

    Basically when practicing combination punching on mitts you have counters coming back but not intended to hit you this allows you to simultaneously work on defense the same way you would in sparring but without taking any damage.

    Imo you can get more torque in your punches using mitts and with less chance of injury compared to heavy bags that aren't aqua filled.
     
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  4. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think pads can make the guys predictable.. I explain, since the adding of padwork you can see that you can almost tell signature combinations of every fighter.... fighters from 90s onward have signature combinations....

    I don´t see that in the old timers. I can´t tell you what was Sugar Ray Robinson or Achie Moore favorite combinations.. I can tell you that Manny Pacquiao is going forward and shoot a double jab with a straight hand sometimes in the body, sometimes in the head.... Canelo ? Forget about it, he has dozens of signature combinations....

    Tell me Jake LaMotta´s favorite combination ?
     
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  5. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    What makes guys predictable is telegraphing their shots or shooting wide. Signature combos aren't for everyone. Some top level fighters are able to switch it up and adapt and these are always the most dangerous.

    Most Boxers know how to throw any combo needed when an opening presents itself anywhere on the body signature or not.

    Oh Yeah Back to your signature combo... doesn't that suck when everyone knows exactly what the boxer who stays true to his signature combos is going to do and he does it anyway. lol.

    "Tell me Jake LaMotta´s favorite combination ?" How about you tell me why I should tell you something you already know? Patronizing?
     
  6. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That was a rhetorical question, it´s the way I talk, didn´t expect you to take it literally, sorry about that.....

    Less sparring is good, guys from the newer eras are less brain damaged because of that. But obviously you lose something in the boxing aspect of it. It´s a trade off.

    A tennis player is getting better if he pratices the game in the most realistic possible way. Pads are not realistic.
    Too bad that, like I said, sparring is a problem, I know, I had to stop boxing because I got hurt in sparring, but I´m sorry, less of it is bad... it does make boxers less creative, less adaptable, and the perfect image of the "modern pad made boxer", to me, is Canelo Alvarez.

    I am not saying Canelo is a bad fighter, much the opposite, he is very good and I like the kid.... but you can see the difference between him and, I don´t know, somebody like Harold Johnson maybe, and how guys like those.... didn´t look like Robots throwing punches.
     
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  7. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    At some point light sparring building up to hard sparring should be a part of any camp even if its minimal imo.

    Also I believe mitt work really depends on who is operating the Mitts. There are levels to Mitt Work operations and if your trying to hit mitts with someone who just watched a few Youtube videos then your experience may be discouraging.
     
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  8. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    I think the way mitt work is done in so many gym is kinda silly though, they make the guy do some combinations that never happen in real fights....... Oh, and feints should be done in mitt work, they are the most important thing in boxing imo!

    Yeah I just am not a fan of mitt work being like the biggest part of trainning today.
     
  9. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    I see your point but I think that goes back to who is operating the Mitts. For example Emanuel Steward would train for two months on his own before a fight camp so he would be strong fast and ready for Mitt work and allow his fighter to follow through with their punches and keep up.
     
  10. Pat M

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    I think some old time trainers used mitt "work", but they didn't have "mitts." Some trainers would turn gloves around and have the fighter hit the padded part. Mitt work is only as good as the person who is holding the mitts. If someone knows how to use them realistically to make the guy he is working with better, the mitts are useful. I watched a guy today holding the mitts and he had a guy doing a jab/hook, he was using his right hand to catch the jab and had his left hand about 2 feet away for the hook - IMO that had no relevance to throwing a jab/hook in a fight. Like all tools the mitts are only as good as the person using them.
     
  11. Saintpat

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    Most of the videos you see of some guy ripping off a flurry on the mitts that makes people go ‘wow,’ if you watch carefully the guy holding the mitts is doing more of the work — he’s moving the mitts into the punches to the point that the ‘omg he’s super fast’ boxer isn’t actually throwing more than a few inches with each punch and barely touching the mitts.

    Is the opponent going to lunge his face into your gloves when you throw at him, lol?

    It’s a show more than it is serious training.

    You might also note that the guy who throws 30-40-50 punches in a flurry on the mitts hardly ever throws more than two punches at a time in the ring, haha. And you never see him throw the extended flurry in a fight.
     
  12. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    Yeah, but sometiems the serious training also makes me wonder if it is being that useful. For example, jab on one pad and right hand on the opposite pad is not good IMO.

    I like when the guy tells jab-right in the same pad, that is more realistic, the pad is the guy´s head !
     
  13. Jel

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    Unless it’s accounting for some degree of head movement from the opponent but in modern boxing good head movement seems more of the exception and is often replaced by a higher guard.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Charlie Goldman is credited with originating this.
     
  15. Philly161

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    The owner/head coach at my old gym wasn't into pads actually. There was plenty of padwork in the gym but he said once he thought it wasn't as efficient learning as the bag or shadowboxing or sparring. He said people liked it because it looks and sounds cool but people don't visualize the same as they do with the other methods which he was big on visualizing an opponent while training rather than just being mechanical and drilling.

    All that said, I love hitting pads haha.