how great was tiger Flowers?

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  1. psychoshane

    psychoshane Active Member Full Member

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    He dethroned Harry Greb but Greb was slipping at that point. Should the Greb fights be considered the highlight of his career? Where does he rank among the middleweight champs?
     
  2. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ray Arcel said he'd beat Hagler. Peak 1924 Flowers was a hellva fighter. A black southpaw Greb.
     
  3. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    The first man to beat Flowers was said to have "deflowered" him. So,...pretty great.
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    He was a great middlweight. I'm not sure why he gets overlooked in discussions of the greats. Mickey Walker didn't exactly have an easy time in taking his title either.
     
  5. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    It's Larry Holmes/Ezzard Charles syndrome... Sometimes when you take a title from a truly culturally relevant AtG people hate you a little, even among the boxing fanbase. I think someone like Corbett had to deal with a little of this too.
     
  6. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No film, and not a legacy like Greb's either.
     
  7. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How great was tiger Flowers ? He was a tough guy to fight ..A volume punching southpaw, and very slick..He was good enought to give a fading
    Harry Greb, 2 tough controversial bouts in 1926, just before Greb died..
    Greb at that time was ring-worn with 298 fights under his belt, but still
    gave Flowers two tough fights.
    But Flowers had a weak chin and was Kod by heavy punchers such as
    Panama Joe Gans 2, Kid Norfolk, Sam Langford, Jamaica Kid,Fireman Jim Flynn, and was flattened THREE times in two bouts with the very underated Jack Delaney...Yes, 3 kos in two bouts..True..
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Only two handfuls were greater.
     
  9. klompton

    klompton Boxing Addict banned

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    He wasnt knocked out by Jim Flynn. He quit when he injured his hand if memory serves.
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    One thing that stands out about Flowers, is that his losses were all either knockout losses, or controvertial.

    He seems to have been almost impossible to outpoint cleanly.
     
  11. psychoshane

    psychoshane Active Member Full Member

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    His nickname was Battling Joe Gans.
     
  12. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This.
     
  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    He has a legacy.

    Never doubt that for one second!
     
  14. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was KO'd/stopped a lot early in his career when he was being thrown to the wolves and also fighting a lot of naturally bigger men.

    He apparently had a rather unique style that probably made fights tough to score, which probably accounted for so many notoriously controversial decisions in his career (vs. McTigue, Greb, Walker, etc.).