Revisiting the Mosley-Mayorga Scorecards from 2008: Early Stages of a "Shot" Sugar

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  1. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here were the scorecards heading into the final round of the 2008 Mayorga vs Mosley fight:

    Pat Russell: 105-104 Mayorga
    Nelson Vasquez: 105-104 Mosley
    Tony Crebs: 107-102 Mosley

    Mosley won the bout by knockout at 2:59 of the 12th round.

    The idea that a chain-smoking, limited brawler like Ricardo Mayorga could outbox and possibly out-point a sure-fire Hall Of Famer like Mosley seemed so far-fetched as to be beyond belief. Even a 37-year-old version of Mosley.

    But that's exactly what was taking place in the bout.

    It was shocking to watch. Sure, Mosley had lost his previous fight to Miguel Cotto, and exhibited telltale signs of a fighter on the downside, but Cotto was a far superior talent to Mayorga. Certainly, Mayorga would be just the kind of journeyman adversary Mosley needed to regain his standing in the sport.

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    The Shane Mosley -- admitted PED user Shane Mosley -- who stepped into the ring with Floyd Mayweather, Jr. last night was a shell of his former self. At 38 years old, and without the aid of agents such as EPO to supply critical energy against his younger foe, Mosley was exposed, completely, as the shot fighter who had begun to emerge against Cotto and Mayorga.

    Some were fooled by the "Cheater vs Cheater" match against Margarito. In retrospect, however, that fight's greatest lesson may have been that Tony Margarito needed his special hand wraps even more than Shane Mosley needed his EPO and whatever else Mosley used.

    One group of people who were not fooled by the Margarito bout were Team Mayweather. They knew they had an aging, PED-less fighter on the slide but who was still recognizable and marketable to at least certain segments of the pay per view-purchasing community.

    What happened last night between Mosley and Mayweather will remind a number of boxing fans of unfortunate mismatches along the lines of Ali-Holmes or Tyson-Lewis: A still-effective or prime boxer builds fortune and acclaim by defeating a once-great champion who is well beyond his best days.

    This is a sad aspect of the sweet science, but one which has gone on, likely, for as long as the sport has existed. It is tough to blame Floyd Mayweather for participating in a well-worn tradition.

    It is less difficult, however, to pin the blame on Mayweather's fans who would try to spin the bout as something which it was not. Which is to say, a competitive match-up.

    Viewers of the HBO PPV broadcast were well-served by Emanuel Steward and Larry Merchant. Each commentator made sure that those tuning in knew they were witnessing a diminished Mosley, a fighter not to be confused with the man who built himself a future spot in Canastota.

    Those complaining about Merchant and Steward are missing the mark. The broadcasters, especially the analysts, do not exist to serve as myth-makers for any fighter. They are there to share their honest observations. That is, if Shane Mosley looks uncoordinated, tired, old, "shot" and such, that is to be conveyed, not covered-up.

    Merchant was at his best in the post-fight interview with the victorious Mayweather. He got Mayweather to admit that unless Mayweather's unfounded and arbitrary demands for drug testing were obliged by Manny Pacquiao, Mayweather would not fight him.

    This valuable insight into's Mayweather's thought process helps fans decide who it was that torpedoed the potential Mayweather-Pacquiao bout the first time around. As has been reported, Mayweather was advised by a medical expert(s) that the time-frame which Pacquiao agreed to submit to for the random blood testing Mayweather demanded was sufficient to ensure that Pacquiao would not receive any marked PED benefits.

    Mayweather balked, against the wishes of his team. And last night, he essentially balked again when questioned by Larry Merchant.

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    The Mosley-Mayweather bout was precisely what many of us felt it would be, sadly. For a number of Mayweather's fans, though, the truth will not penetrate their version of Saturday's events. Such is the nature of fandom.

    For this crowd, Round 2 will be a rallying cry of Mosley's supposed "non-shotness."

    Don't try to bring up with these people that a man whom many of them roundly decried as "shot," Roy Jones, landed a better punch than Mosley's on Joe Calzaghe and actually dropped the Welshman in the first round of their match-up. All will recall how the rest of that fight played out.

    For the more objective boxing observers and for long-time followers or reporters of the sport, last night will seem familiar. The principles may change, but one boxing axiom remains: No fighter escapes Father Time.

    On Saturday, Shane Mosley became another unwilling witness to that reality.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Knock it off.

    That was a career performance by the underrated Mayorga (against whom nobody looks good...and by whom, by the way, VERNON FORREST got outboxed a good deal in one of their fights).

    Mosley also stupidly tried to fight with him for much of it, rather than "powerbox".

    Shot schmot. You can't write the Margarito thing off like it was a fluke. Mosley nearly losing to Mayorga and looking "old" and slow on the trigger was the fluke. Besides, at the end of the day, he won in very emphatic fashion.

    **** the academic scorecards. :smoke
     
  3. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Comparing this to Holmes-Ali is insulting and idiotic. Ali was on diuretics to drain himself so he literally couldn't throw punches, Mosley just didn't want to to avoid getting hit. Ali also had Parkinson's to boot.
     
  4. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sorry, dude. If the truth hurts, that's not my problem.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Hurts? Distorted "truth" doesn't even sting.

    :deal
     
  6. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you don't see the parallels, you probably shouldn't be wasting my or the board's time with you inane and emotional responses.

    I'll do my best to help you with the remedial tutorial: Over-the-hill Hall Of Famer is schooled (or battered, in Ali's case) by a younger, more-prime fighter.

    Get it? Good. Now shut up and move on. People with a brain read this board, and your drivel isn't helping the forum's collective IQ any.
     
  7. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Swing and a miss. I'm done wasting time on you for now.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yes, Mosley is over the hill. That's not the same as "shot", Paul.

    Mosley was the best challenge available at 147, other than perhaps Pacquiao. That challenge was brushed aside like it was an exhibition, after the first six minutes. It has far more to do with what Floyd is than what Mosley is no longer.
     
  9. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks, appreciate it.

    I agree. I hope Mosley hangs them up. I'm a huge fan and I don't want to see his legacy or health diminished any more than it already has been.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Is there a trollfeed pellet dispenser nearby? I'm running low...
     
  11. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Shane's shot. One of the best ways to see this in a fighter is when they no longer can let their hands go. That was Mosley last night.

    A younger Mosley would have attacked like crazy and gone out on his shield. He simply wasn't capable of doing that, for physical reasons.

    38 years old and no PED's is no picnic for a pro athlete who is used to supplemental assistance and far more energy and vigor.

    Father Time has us all on the list.
     
  12. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll say it again everyone looks shot,old and overrated after he fights Floyd or Pac. In fact it's just the case of very good fighters fighting great ones.
     
  13. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I also think that Castillo won against Floyd. As for Oscar he was probably going to kick Floyd's ass in his prime. But at that stage he was just able to make it close at 154 which is far from Floyd best weight.
     
  14. boxing123

    boxing123 New Member Full Member

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    Not taking anything away from Mayweather at all cause he put on a masterfull performance last night but i seen the same thing that night when he fought mayorga and thats why i was one of those people who thought margarito was going to run straight over him cause of how bad he looked against mayorga but then margarito looked like a walking mummy that night.Anyways thats the reason that i knew Mosley didnt have a really good chance against Mayweather.
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    What???????????????? :lol:

    When little Two Pound sliced and diced his pretty face, or when Pacquiao shoeshined him into the Hall of No Mas Shame?