Or has this always been more of a sentimental overrating that I've done in thinking yes? The number one thing I rate Liston on is how thoroughly and quickly he shut Floyd down, twice in a row. I never rated Sonny much on fantasy H2H thinking. Even if it's a styles/attributes/natural-weight-classes bad match-up for Floyd, it still always impressed me that Liston simply stopped competition in two fights, outright. But if I'm overrating Floyd, the way I rate them, I'm then overrating Liston too. I've always looked at Floyd as a mega-talent who didn't just peak early or give the look of someone who did because he was never that good, and that this was shown in all the work he put in after his championship years. But am I wrong that he was a great talent who did enough to prove he was a true historical great or did he really have too thin of a record of official wins against good enough opponents, in context? Is the youngest and two-time HW champion for his size not impressive enough? I've never rated Ingo that highly, if I'm honest, and that doesn't help my long-held high rating of Floyd. I no longer have him in my HW top 20 but p4p considered him somewhere on the greats list, albeit farther down, as I've gotten more critical of my own possible bias here, lately. Anyway, I'm open to de-concretizing my concrete here.
In some contexts he is: - Olympic gold medalist - Youngest heavyweight champion ( until Tyson ) - First to regain heavyweight title - was ranked for many years - beat good fighters in Moore, Jackson, Machen, Johansson, Harris, Bonavena and chuvalo. - was arguably robbed against quarry, Ellis and Maxim. Negatives: - was too heavily protected during title reign - only had 7 title wins in 6 years - was the only heavyweight champ to give a title shot to a debuting fighter ( who floored him. ) - was very shaky in the chin department - would probably be an underdog against more than half of history’s heavyweight champions and many of its contenders. overall his unique achievements get him into the hall of fame and perhaps even give him some shade of greatness. But I don’t place him in the upper echelon of the sport’s best.
Just barely. Though it does not matter in any way, it interesting that Boxrec has him #6 heavyweight of all time.
No. Clearly outside the realms of ATGness for me. Good longevity and clinging on to a top 20 HW spot.
He was one of the more popular heavyweights in history. He continued to draw big cheering crowds until his final bout with Ali. Whenever he fought at the Garden, tickets sold out and New York City buzzed with energy. He was not an all-time great champion but he was terrific for boxing and is remembered fondly by multitudes of fans until now.
People cite youngest HW champion… first to regain the title and a lot of things like that but boxing is who you beat ain’t it? That’s stuff is just “polish” You get points in my book for not losing the title… I also don’t rate guys higher for being ranked a long time and not really beating anybody good? He’s a guy who lost to Ingo and Liston… but he might’ve beat Ellis and Quarry? Then it’s just some semi decent (in the grand scheme of things) filler… his best win might be Ancient Archie Moore? Which is… Floyd Patterson is the sort of guy you can really admire as a man, very thoughtful, a serious champion fighter and overall he did his best whilst keeping his heart but an ATG? I personally reserve that distinction for very few fighters in general so I’d say no and even amongst HW’s.
I think he's better than many are willing to acknowledge, hard to say where he ranks all time . I think he was a great fighter, but not an all time great thou.
Of course, he is. Yes. But the sport has changed a lot over the last half-century. Head-to-head, he doesn't beat a lot of fighters who came after him. To the point he fought, though, he could've beaten most who came before him.